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by Tsavo
Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:36 am
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Found an idyllic retirement barn for my horse
Replies: 7
Views: 273

Re: Found an idyllic retirement barn for my horse

That sounds perfect! What a gift to find such a situation when you can't bring them home to your own farm. p.s. I strongly encourage you to shop in Canada for your next horse (mare). Prices are better and I suspect you will have better luck finding a Canadian x WB x draft. Good luck. Thanks Piedmon...
by Tsavo
Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:03 am
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Found an idyllic retirement barn for my horse
Replies: 7
Views: 273

Re: Found an idyllic retirement barn for my horse

Good, I'm happy for you. So is he close enough that you can visit regularly? This isn't one of those places where you have to turn over ownership to their farm is it? He is about 20 minutes for my house, closer than my other barn. I intend to go every day after work when I am not at the gym. No I w...
by Tsavo
Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:15 am
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Found an idyllic retirement barn for my horse
Replies: 7
Views: 273

Found an idyllic retirement barn for my horse

I finally moved my horse to a retirement barn. It is more than I ever imagined. The owner is on the same wavelength as I am about everything... (not) blanketing unless they need it, being in a herd, etc. etc. Everything about the vibe is low key and that seems to extend to the horses on the property...
by Tsavo
Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:04 am
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Anyone in NC or TX?
Replies: 30
Views: 674

Re: Anyone in NC or TX?

Well I like Raleigh but I think the mountains of NC would be more suited to horses given it doesn't get quite as hot/humid. Raleigh has an excellent standard of living. You really don't need an indoor in Raleigh but a covered arena is very handy. In re costs, the further you get outside Raleigh the ...
by Tsavo
Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:38 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Ok. Good. You admit that this is not your expertise. Science used to be mine. I am published in several peer reviewed, nationally and internationally respected journals and one book chapter. I don't believe anywhere it has been said that the "literature is a mess" regarding acupuncture. S...
by Tsavo
Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Here: https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.236.11.1225 I can do no better than repeat points made by an expert that I posted upthread: 1. electroacupuncture is more akin to TENS than acupuncture. TENS works on a known modality. This paper is not an acupuncture paper at all. To quote ...
by Tsavo
Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:08 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Tsavo did you not see the quote from NIH that I have in one of my posts just above? NIH: "What do we know about the effectiveness of acupuncture? Research suggests that acupuncture can help manage certain pain conditions, but evidence about its value for other health issues is uncertain."...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:33 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

I have to leave for the gym. I will read this post including all the links when I get back and will respond to your question. :) Tsavo did you not see the quote from NIH that I have in one of my posts just above? NIH: "What do we know about the effectiveness of acupuncture? Research suggests th...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:22 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

khall wrote:And yes you have claims when you summarize the "placebo effect"


Once again, I didn't say that. I was R-E-P-E-A-T-I-N-G what NIH was surmising.

This is not my field.
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:18 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

khall wrote:Tsavo if you can read Skeptvet and not see the bias there (the IVDD is a good example) then you are blind.


Is NIH biased? Is the AVMA biased?

Are all honestly skeptical people automatically biased??? Not a single person can be honestly skeptical without being labeled biased???
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:19 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

And you still do not think there is politics involved? What exactly do you mean by politics here? What faction wants to block naming of acupuncture as a specialty and for what political reason? Isn't that cutting off some of the revenue stream to block that? In re the literature, I am not cherry-pi...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:49 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Here is the statement of the AVMA... Acupuncture specialty petition denied ​Posted May 11, 2016 AVMA leaders have denied a petition from an organization that wants to develop an acupuncture specialization. Members of the AVMA Board of Directors in April voted down a petition from veterinarians with ...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:36 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

NIH and the vet folks have done the analysis. They say there is no good evidence it works apart from placebo.
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Science is a hard game. When something has been under study for decades and still the literature is a mess, that is a result in itself. Does it prove acupuncture doesn't work in some circumstance? No. Does is suggest it probably doesn't work under most circumstances? Yes
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:20 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

What is NIH and the vet med group missing that you see perfectly clearly? Are they too dumb or what?
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:17 pm
Forum: Dressage Training
Topic: leg yield - oh my heck!
Replies: 17
Views: 580

Re: leg yield - oh my heck!

Wow that's a bit of a hot mess there. I would not start LY from a position requiring bend as LY has no bend. Maybe it would help if you recall that LY is a straightening exercise. You want to feel like the horse is between your inside leg and outside rein. Just focus on keeping the horse parallel to...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:06 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

How is this back and forth any different that one between a science- and evidence-based person and a flat-earther or a young earther or an anti-vax person or any of the many flavors of pseudoscience? Vet med societies and vet med board reviews and the NIH and any other groups who have looked at the ...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Chancellor wrote:And then wonders why people don't agree with her.


I don't wonder about this. It is just another front in the war on science that got Trump elected.
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:29 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

khall, how do you know it is politics and not the train wreck of the literature? Nobody needs to resort to politics when you have that literature.
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:27 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

I am not cherry picking sources to support my thinking. I am laying out what vet med societies DO and SAY , what Government Agencies like NIH SAY , why they say these things, what the state of the literature is, etc. None of this is my opinion. This is not my field. Therefore I can have no independe...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:01 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Well put, MC. It's good to be open-minded. There are only a few things that we can dismiss on first principles, the poster child of this being homeopathy. The rest we must remain open-minded. Claims that I am using that vet's blog just to put his opinion out there are just off base and not following...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:19 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

pt to study more sceince-based formed of acupuncture but they are the small mnority. Tsavo then please tell me how my old dog who was knuckling over frequently before acupuncture/laser to acupuncture points now has not knuckled over in a couple of months. His strength and proprioception has been inc...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:15 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Here's what NIH/NCCIH says about acupuncture effectiveness... https://nccih.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/introduction#hed1 What the Science Says About the Effectiveness of Acupuncture Results from a number of studies suggest that acupuncture may help ease types of pain that are often chronic such as l...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:09 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

khall wrote:I would not jump to such conclusions, your bias is showing:


Yes. I am biased towards evidence.
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:09 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

If there is good evidence then why did the vet med folks reject it? What are they missing? The acupuncture literature is a train wreck apparently. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-industry-of-worthless-acupuncture-studies/ There are now thousands of acupuncture studies looking at every indication...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:44 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

BTW what do you think of WHO and NIH "have analyzed acupuncture and concluded that it is an effective and valid treatment for specific disorders." They are not bloggers spinning for their own agenda but looking at is scientifically and with objectivity and finding it a valid treatment. I ...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:48 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Skeptvet is talking about what the vet med societies SAY about acupuncture. He isn't just spouting his opinion. He is reporting on a decision the AVMA made following a recommendation by the ABVS. Emphasis mine Given this position, I agree with the recent decision of the American Veterinary Medical A...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:03 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Acupuncture Fails to Qualify as a Specialty Area in Veterinary Medicine due to Lack of Adequate Scientific Evidence Posted on May 15, 2016 by skeptvet http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2016/05/acupuncture-fails-to-qualify-as-a-specialty-area-in-veterinary-medicine-due-to-lack-of-adequate-scientific-evidence/...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:00 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Some of the success attributed to some of these treatment modalities could be due to time alone a la pin firing. That is hard to rule out.
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Soliciated for donation
Replies: 18
Views: 369

Re: Soliciated for donation

I agree some of this fund raising is farmed out and adds to overhead but I have had these people admit they were hired and told me they got 10%. I guess I can't know they are legit but they seemed so. The only time I was happy to get a call was from Shriners because I keep that person on the line as...
by Tsavo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:01 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Tsavo, since you value what George has to say, you should know that he recommended Legend. For several years, there was a one page Legend ad in various horse mags with his picture and his comments favoring it. Bayer still includes his comments in their Legend patient information insert. Well that's...
by Tsavo
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Soliciated for donation
Replies: 18
Views: 369

Re: Soliciated for donation

Yes I am very sure at least some of these are legit. Truth is stranger than fiction.
by Tsavo
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:05 pm
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Soliciated for donation
Replies: 18
Views: 369

Re: Soliciated for donation

That's amazing. I get these calls all the time and I don't understand them. I know people with much less hazardous jobs who have insurance for this. I don't see why these people don't have this. I have my charities I support (fighting factory farming, animal rescue, rational discourse etc.) and thos...
by Tsavo
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:11 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

The thing with the woo woo in the horse world is that treatment modalities that have little to no evidence of efficacy in humans don't suddenly and magically become effective in equines. An example is chiropractic (it works no better than massage for lower back pain in humans which is not to say hor...
by Tsavo
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:08 am
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Do you consider injections Woo woo? I would have thought they were the very opposite? It is my understanding that there is very little evidence for injections after the lidocaine wears off. In humans, this was found in one study to be true for conditions not including herniated discs... Surg Neurol...
by Tsavo
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:14 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Sue B, you are a vet. In your opinion, why did Morris never succumb to woo woo when other riders have? That is the relevant issue. Did I pick that issue out of several other possible issues? Yes. So what? You are free to pick another issue and discuss it in this thread. That would in no way negate t...
by Tsavo
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:09 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

Sue B, I don't understand your comment about "picking and choosing". If I picked the passage you picked about causes, someone else would say I picked and chose that over the one about treatments. There is more than one point that can be contained in an article, yes? Morris is allowed to di...
by Tsavo
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:07 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

Re: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

“What it has lost the most to me is time. We used to have time for our horse, we used to have time at home, at horse shows, which were great social gatherings. There isn’t now the time, and that colours everything that happens with a horse, and with a horse show. Time and space – my sport of jumpin...
by Tsavo
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Reading For Comprehension
Replies: 11
Views: 417

Re: Reading For Comprehension

The central problem is that people think they are entitled to their own facts. That is neither reasonable nor even rational. I have dealt with people on FB who ask me what I "feel" about a certain issue. My response is my feelings don't matter; only the facts matter. Further, if I don't ha...
by Tsavo
Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:06 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia
Replies: 71
Views: 1016

George Morris weighs in on alt vet med, inter alia

For the folks who point to all kinds of alt med modalities that elite riders use... among elite riders, there is probably a better (inverse) correlation between amount of science training and use of alt vet med that better skill in riding and use of alt vet med. “I don’t remember with de Nemethy, la...
by Tsavo
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:00 pm
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Reading For Comprehension
Replies: 11
Views: 417

Re: Reading For Comprehension

American society shows signs of being an idiocracy. What you mention is one sign. Trump's election is another.
by Tsavo
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: Half of all sport horses are lame apparently
Replies: 39
Views: 877

Half of all sport horses are lame apparently

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/half-horses-lame-saddle-slip-survey-428728 A new saddle study has shown an unexpectedly high degree of lameness in sport horses — with nearly half of those assessed being lame or stiff. Dr Sue Dyson, head of clinical orthopaedics at the Animal Health Trust (AHT) a...
by Tsavo
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:07 am
Forum: Dressage Training
Topic: Position as it relates to effectiveness
Replies: 48
Views: 1345

Re: Position as it relates to effectiveness

Check where Haddad's heels are...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tcB-71_B38
by Tsavo
Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: Breeding, Registries & Conformation
Topic: Commercial horse
Replies: 17
Views: 603

Re: Commercial horse

Yes I like those horses but there are not that many that I can find.
by Tsavo
Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:33 pm
Forum: Dressage Training
Topic: Position as it relates to effectiveness
Replies: 48
Views: 1345

Re: Position as it relates to effectiveness

That's interesting what you say about ways of putting your heel down. Can you say what you were doing before and what you are doing now? In the skeletal riding videos of Haddad, she says to use the stirrup to raise the toe and not to drop the heel. But of course she already has a perfectly loose leg...
by Tsavo
Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Veterinary, Nutrition, Grooming & Farrier Questions
Topic: Hock question
Replies: 5
Views: 197

Re: Hock question

Equioxx controls pain by reducing inflammation. So I am not sure that would be considered "doping up" in the sense opioids dope up people. If you were driving him and were pulled over for let's say excessive speed, your horse would not get a DWI or a DUI. :-) Maybe the stiffness is unrelat...
by Tsavo
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: Dressage Training
Topic: Position as it relates to effectiveness
Replies: 48
Views: 1345

Re: Position as it relates to effectiveness

Tsavo, I know what you're talking about re: lower back collecting the canter. It's not exactly stilling the seatbones, but like you're bouncing all the ground-covering energy upwards. Hard to explain but once you feel it you know exactly what it's like. Yes that is it and I am going to say I don't ...
by Tsavo
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:47 pm
Forum: Breeding, Registries & Conformation
Topic: Commercial horse
Replies: 17
Views: 603

Re: Commercial horse

There are a couple Commercial horse breeders in S Canada near Erie that keep turning out fancily-marked (high white socks/belly spots) ammy-friendly horses. That said, I don't know of many that turn out at the upper levels, if that's one of your aspirations. Maybe that is for lack of trying! I bet ...
by Tsavo
Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:50 pm
Forum: The Observation Lounge
Topic: Vets that DO NOT euthanize your animal
Replies: 18
Views: 557

Re: Vets that DO NOT euthanize your animal

I have had several small mammals euthanized when they could not be saved. Some were done in the room and some were taken in the back and brought back. I never left without witnessing the body. I bring them home to bury. Occasionally I am too distraught and leave the body there. I don't understand th...

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