Is anyone else having a hard time with all of this?

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Is anyone else having a hard time with all of this?

Postby Tanga » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:40 pm

The BS and lies and downright corruption for years on end is wearing and I take breaks. I bow down in awe of the people who keep fighting the good fight.

But right now I'm having such a hard time. I'm trying to ignore the news (I normally listen to a news talk radio station all day) as much as possible because I just am so . . . I don't have the words--sad, disheartened, angry, defeated . . .

I love the people standing up and refusing to stop protesting the unending murder of black men. But it always seems to lead to a bunch of criminals, no doubt many white supremists and idiots urged on by Russian trolls. All around there is constant looting. And of course, the idiot in chief has run like the coward he is and can not do a single thing right. I HATE the criminals, but I agree that what they are doing is nothing compared to the real criminals in charge who have openly on tv, just like the looters, stolen far more from us and this country. And I hate that even more and that there seems not a single thing we can do about it.

And then there are still the people dying daily of Covid and SO many people in hard straights. I live in a very expensive area that has so many people on the edge. I spend three days a week at a food bank preparing the food boxes and giving out food. We do about 700 families on Saturdays (they usually get three boxes of produce, canned and boxed goods, bread, and frozen items that vary weekly) and there are about 15 other food banks within 15 miles doing the same thing. People are hungry.

I know this is going to be a time we look back on and see the real change we needed (I HAVE to believe that) and we are in the curse of living in interesting times. I just am having SUCH a hard time in my life of privilege, where I can afford food and to pay the bills and see my horses daily. Is anyone else here?

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Postby PhoenixRising » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:09 pm

I'm with you.
I'm overwhelmed, and my heart hurts. I have a hard time discussing it so I've stayed largely silent on social media, and even in conversations with friends and family.
I feel like I cant ignore the news though, as much as I wish I could. I cant entirely put it into words why, but I feel like its important.
I watched some live reports of the protests threatening to turn violent in my city last night, and I cried.
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Postby Tanga » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:42 am

Yeah. I keep reading and listening to the news, too. But I'm just feeling so overwhelmed by it. I drove home from the barn through the wealthier white people city, and many, many businesses were boarding up windows, either from last night or the night before. The gas stations would not let me come inside and pay cash. It had to be at the pump. The pot dispensary a couple of blocks away always has security, but there were two there with flack jackets on and openly armed. The Walgreen's a block away was boarding up. The motor sports shop a half a block away was boarding up. It looks like they got smashed last night.

And the moron just HAD to go and make it worse.

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Postby Moutaineer » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:53 am

Our privileged world has been well and truly kicked off it's axis. Even sleepy Salt Lake City is under curfew from 8pm to 6am every night this week. Downtown got wrecked on Saturday. Not by black people (it would be hard to raise a quorum, let alone a mob, around here) not by Latinos, but by white youths who appear to not be locals.

I've lived through city center race riots before, but this is different. Far more sinister in its premeditation.

I want to know who these people are and who is really behind the violence and vandalism.

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Postby Ryeissa » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:28 pm

its truly scary. I have had to shut off the news today. It's too much.

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Postby Tarlo Farm » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:30 pm

I'm exhausted. We rallied a group of 30 in our local park last night - not bad in a town of 9000 with about four hours of FB notice.
Between trying to be smart but not ridiculous with the virus, cops murdering black and brown folks, and the $#%@ deranged idiot in the WH, and the people who STILL support him, I'm exhausted.

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Postby Chisamba » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:06 am

I heard on the news so with some skepticism. That most of the violent riots were insigated by planned out of state people who had planted gasoline etc along the route, in other words planned violence.

I am wondering if there will be a major peak in Covid in a week or two

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Postby piedmontfields » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:57 pm

We are living in historic times. And that is challenging and exhausting!

I'm awed by the peaceful protesters and their numbers and determination. I'm also scared for them (we are not in a time that peaceful protest is protected across the nation) and worried about C-19 infection escalation. And I'm scared of the administration validation of extreme police behavior and of violence and violent groups. The best thing I can say about these historic times is that more and more people are seeing reality that they have been able to avoid/distance/ignore. Tanga, that is uncomfortable and stressful, for sure, but also has potential for positive change.

I heard an interview yesterday with Masha Gessen, the author of Surviving Autocracy. It was spine-chilling and very, very insightful. Another related interview is here: https://www.thenation.com/article/socie ... interview/

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Postby Tanga » Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:37 pm

All of your words are right. All of them. And I'm glad so many people are feeling them. The biggest change comes through the biggest pain, so we can only hope this will be SO positive. We are just so spoiled in where and how we live. So many people in the world live in far, far worse than this every day.

I love that so many people refuse to back down and demand what is right, and it is forcing people to pick sides. I hate the rioting, which every day I am more sure is white nationalist and troll organized. I hate that the evil in the white house is doing nothing right and the evil followers are not standing up for anything right here. I hope this breaks it all apart and they remove the evil toddler kicking and screaming before he can inflict more damage. HOW can people be so evil that they care about money and power above all? This all points it out so vividly.

Thanks for all of the thoughts. I need somewhere quiet to read it and respond sometimes. This seems to be the best place. Hugs to all and stay safe.

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Postby Anne » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:33 am

Tanga, thank you for posting the boredpanda link, it made me cry too, very very powerful photos. We watch the situation in the US (from here in distant New Zealand) with, as Trudeau said (eventually!, wasn't that an interesting 'pause'....) 'horror and consternation'.

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Postby Tanga » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:45 pm

Some more pictures that show just how fucked up some people are.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/white-p ... zB2xil_WD0

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Postby PaulaO » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:29 pm

I agree with everything said above. I stopped listening to NPR when they announced 24 hour COVID programming. Then I stopped watching the local, relatively unbiased, tv news. I look at the NYT and WaPo once a week. All this chaos is wearing me out, and I pray that reform comes as a result. I cannot image any black person voting for hewhomustnotbenamed in November.

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Postby Ponichiwa » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:56 pm

I have seen more honest questioning of peoples' own stances this time around (as compared to the '14-15 Ferguson and related BLM movements), which gives me hope for change instead of status quo. I do worry that how we're arming our police forces looks more like a branch of the military than the keepers of the peace.

It's both heartening and depressing that we as a country have been here before-- roughly every 30-50 yrs, actually (now, 90s, 60s, 20s, 1870s...)-- and we've stayed a country. But we never have really dealt with our country's original sin of slavery (to borrow from The West Wing). We appear to have a generational issue-- we make progress, and then there is a cultural backlash to that progress.

For my own personal health, I've been very mindful of the amount of news consumption I undergo. I subscribe to outlets I think are doing a major service to the propagation of truth in these challenging times, but even so I still need to take some space from the deluge of bad news.

Working from home has actually helped me deal better with these stressors. I'm walking more and commuting less, which lets me focus on the things I can control. This sounds much more zen than I'm actually able to achieve, but remains a work in progress. I hope everyone finds their own peace through these troubling times.

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Postby Tarlo Farm » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:52 am

I'm pretty active politically and within two weeks of the election in 2016, this - at that time, 59 year old -woman got a tattoo on my right arm, only my second, that reads, "Rise Up".
I'm also a huge "Hamilton" fan. Most importantly though, I knew I would get tired, and frustrated, and often feel hopeless. I knew I needed a solid reminder how to live my life, fight for the underdogs, and rally for goodness and progress. It helps.

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Postby khall » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:04 am

Living in the deep south and being a liberal as is all of my family sucks. Just too much stupidity that is rampant here. Everyone assumes you are a Trump fan, boy do they get a surprise. Science deniers and fake news screamers yet they will believe a random post on FB. (the OK trailer incident blown out of proportion)

I had one person that I know tell be George Floyd was complicit in his death. I'm tired of dealing with them.

The list of covid hoaxes:
masks don't work, hospitals are blowing the numbers out of proportion by calling any death covid so that they can get more money, media is blowing the virus out of proportion it's 99% survival, All lives matter the list goes on usually they profess to be Christians too.

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Postby heddylamar » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:12 am

I've said this elsewhere, but will repeat: I've blocked/unfriended/unfollowed more people in the past weeks than leading up to November 2016. It's been a veritable clearing house.

I hate talking into a void, but, right now, I have zero time or energy for jackasses who believe my friends, neighbors, and relatives deserve less than human treatment because they aren't lily white or perfectly straight. Bye, y'all. Seriously. We're dealing with a pandemic, food/income/job/housing/health care insecurity and some knuckle-dragger wants to haul out an arsenal and threaten their governor over the quarantine? F them. Anyone who hints at being on that side of society is dead to me at the moment. I just don't have the energy to debate them.

Fortunately, I am NOT completely exhausted, because fighting that crap is my job. I work in fundraising and advocacy. And, no, I don't work on behalf of the orange troll :lol:

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Postby Koolkat » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:18 pm

Heddy - I'm with you on this. I'm done arguing/debating, and am looking to find a way to "actionalize" my beliefs/hopes for our society. Hopefully, it is a more productive way to use the time/energy. The arguing/debating (for me at least) creates negative energy, the other I suspect, will create positive energy.

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Postby Tanga » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:02 pm

Right with you, heddy. I think all good people are doing this. LOVE everything you said.

I had it out with Lee Tubman (dressage judge) this morning when he posted on a friend's link about there is no law and order with Roger Stone being let out. The idiot replied, well, it all started with Hilary Clinton not being held accountable for her crimes! I pointed out HRC committed no crimes and was questioned for 11 hours and absolved, and then he claimed, but her emails! Then he started saying stupid shit about Californiastan because Newsome "let out" 6,000 prisoners. When I pointed out that they all had less than 6 months left and were small crimes, and they don't deserve the death penalty, but he's OK with traitors, he ignored that and said he was Canadian and can't vote. What an ass.

I am with you, Koolcat, on TRYING to be positive. I just feel like I have to hide my head sometimes. I'm working two food pantries three days a week, and the need is going up, not down. I'm trying to figure out how to deal with the repeated ignoring of safety rules at the one at the church where the idiot guard comes in and takes off his mask to talk to people inside, and the guys that runs it takes off his mask to shout to everyone inside instructions! I've brought it up multiple times with the guy who sends out emails and other people. I'm also doing Zoom English conversation circles with English learners and will pick up another private person to help with learning English.

And in other news, some stupid chick at the barn went to a party and got Covid from some chick who knew she had it, and then went to other parties. She's sick and everyone at the barn who's been in contact with her is banned until they can come back with a clean test. And another friend at the barn says someone at her office in the city courthouse is sick and was in working! We're going backwards here. I am going further back into my hole.

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Postby Chisamba » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:50 am

I have not unfriended anyone about politics. I think its important to see read and attempt to understand perspective that differs from mine.

I find very liberal and very conservative people are those that use ridicule and hateful or childish monikers and I immediately recognize that this person probably has a perspective i will find difficult to understand. i still do not delete. it is important to know these opinions exist. having said that, I snooze people who are nothing but political. I want horses and kittens and family news ahead of political vitriol always.

I see this attitude of ridicule and hate within politics to be the main cause of no sociopolitical progress. if you spend so.much time hating each other how do you come together to work for things that are important.

the sad thing is I hear fewer and fewer interesting questions and questioning voices, and more and more closed minded quips from both sides.

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Postby heddylamar » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:35 pm

Chisamba wrote:I think its important to see read and attempt to understand perspective that differs from mine.


I was right there with you until mid-June. Then a confluence of events, annoyance with political memes, etc just crushed my patience. But that's limited to Facebook. Twitter's a whole different landscape. There, I follow and read a whole host of conservative and liberal folks, plus quite a few non-north American economists, environmentalists, political wonks, and journalists.

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Postby Chancellor » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:39 pm

Chisamba wrote:I have not unfriended anyone about politics. I think its important to see read and attempt to understand perspective that differs from mine.


I was also with you until today. Someone posted a meme on FB that said the KKK had never been shot at with rubber bullets or had pepper spray used on them. I had pointed out that this was highly unlikely.
I was then called a racist because I supported the KKK.

First, I never supported the KKK.
I was merely pointing out that the statement was very likely false. And that just because the meme agreed with their viewpoint did not make it true.

I am giving up on politics in general. I have some good friends who are liberal (and we all know I lean toward conservatism though I do NOT now nor ever have supported Trump). These people I have met in real life and I find I can listen to them.


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