Will Faerber again

[Jess]

I do think that you should provide your proof.

One cannot tear a person's reputation apart, and allude to "proof" unless provided, which you should provide.

This is shocking.

[Hayburner]

Just saw his post on Facebook, asking his followers to come to this site to clear his name and reputation

[Jess]

Just saw his post on Facebook, asking his followers to come to this site to clear his name and reputation

I would do the same.

If one has proof, It should be provided.

No-one would want this type of thing said about them, no-one.

No proof, no pudding.....
(as the saying goes).

However, if there is proof, as claimed, please provide it, that is what is important.

Links, video, anything...

[Jess]

I would argue otherwise. The weight on the front legs alone is problematic. I doubt a horse trained in this fashion is going to stay sound long term.

Sure, it's not helpful but not in the same league as RK. Still let's just all ride properly and not worry about it,

They both break horses. And personally, I think more horses can recover from an RK life than a Will life. Wllls horses all have front end problems. Of course its always the farriers fault, but his followers also get front end lameness. You just cant ride a horse this way without wrecking their front ends. Subluxation, tendon and ligament tears, ringbone, navicular damage...those are hard if not impossible to fix. I get the RK wrecks necks and backs etc but IME as soon as the work is stopped and with therapies the horse can have a good chance at a pretty normal llife. That cant happen if their front feet are destroyed.

And I do and will worry about it. I cant help it. I think its just beyond bad to put out there a made up method that harms horses and misleads well meaning owners. Maybe cause hes in my area, maybe cause I know him and had to share a barn aisle with him, cause I caught him a zillion lies, cause I saw Manni struggle and then be put down and heard all the excuses...and cause I know what happened to his Legolas.

And I dont know if he actually believes in the work or not. If I was following a method that resulted in every horse breakiing down, I would stop. He keeps going. Its his schtick. He told me when I first met him he was only doing the horse stuff until his movies took off. Guess that didnt quite work out, gee.

This pretty mare will just be another one, and he'll have lots of blame...her breeding, the farrier, blah blah blah. He cant blame the footing (its his own barn) or the trimming (since Karen was trimming) but it will be something.

Its all just sad.

I had a look, the mare's top line and general shape, is developing beautifully.

I am not understanding what you are saying, versus, what I just looked at, quickly, watching through some videos. The mare is happy, relaxed, she is working through, she is not showing any signs of irritation whatsoever, in fact, she is relaxed.

Can you please explain what you mean?

[Lipsmackerpony88]

Anyone who knows much of anything can look at the videos and see what the reality is. Seeing what someone thinks of this method is a good indicator of experience imo.

[Jess]

Anyone who knows much of anything can look at the videos and see what the reality is. Seeing what someone thinks of this method is a good indicator of experience imo.

We are all with our horses to learn to be better for them, don't you agree? I am always, constantly, wanting to learn, within myself, and to improve and appreciate anyone who can add to this.

If you would be so kind to explain, what you mean, specifically, with regard to the mare's way of going, as I am not seeing anything wrong, with her way of going. (I don't care about "methods" I care about the horses, I also don't agree with "one method", as the horse comes first, whatever is needed for the horse, I like to try and help).

Anything you can share, I will appreciate.

[Belladressage]

Just saw his post on Facebook, asking his followers to come to this site to clear his name and reputation

I would do the same.

If one has proof, It should be provided.

No-one would want this type of thing said about them, no-one.

No proof, no pudding.....
(as the saying goes).

However, if there is proof, as claimed, please provide it, that is what is important.

Links, video, anything...

So, where is Will's proof he trained with Nuno? The proof for sure isn't in his training method...

[Jess]

Abby Koglan, I am asking you with respect, and kindness, please reply to me.

If what you say is true, Abby Koglan, it is disgusting. Please provide your proof.

If what you say is true about Will, specifically, you should be doing the right thing and providing proof about all you said, anything, one thing?

A link to anything (there are so many resources to provide links to things these days and you say you have them, therefore, please share all or anything at all).

Abby Koglan's friends, I don't want to argue, I just want the truth, as should you; shouldn't you? Is not that the decent thing to do?

[Abby Kogler]

Sweet Jess, if you like, just go back through old videos. See Lego when he first arrived on the scene, and hear how they discussed him. He was not broken, he had had no “serious injuries” prior to Ambers purchase.

Go back and find Qs introduction video. Listen to Karen say how and why they chose her. Fast forward to Will saying how easy it will be to train her since she hasnt been wrecked. Oops! Gee, she was wrecked after all, darn that breeder!

Go look up the USDF numbers and see that Wills only recognized show in FL was in Tampa. Not Wellington. Maybe he calls one show in Tampa a great success on the “Prestigious Florida Circuit” but no one else would.

Its not hard to find proof of the “filth” I am spreading. Hes quite proud of his movie career ( check out his review of Clothing Optional in Amazon/ IMDB)

Re Q and Lip... Will talks about her development and frame. What is her frame, exactly? Not a working dressage frame, not a hunter frame. After three years, the mare can wtc, plowing along while Karen holds in for dear life. They blame her long back, they keep the flash in her, they blame her breeder... now she needs shoes, now she is losing balance way much in the corners and switching behind. Kind admin Tytti said we should not care about “pretty”... and that what can transpire during work isnt what we are expecting to remain. But can anyone watch Q barreling along, head low, ysually behind the vertical still, and not wonder what exactly they are trying to achieve and when will they know if they have achieved it ?! They even named that gelding Lip, cause he is bitey and head flipping and bites and is aggressive! Well DUH!!!! Find out WHY and FIX IT! Dont blame his background! Fix it! Youre a Master Horseman!

A real trainer WANTS his students to search, study, and question. A real trainer doesnt blame all and sundry when something goes wrong. A Master Horseman is one who us always learning, always studying, and encourages his students to do the same.

Jess, you have a computer. Use it! But be prepared to see that the Emperor has no clothes.

[Vdk]

I would like to thank William and his method. A2R method has helped my horse and I, and still is. We do one session a week of stretches on the lunge, and it allows my horse to relax and improve his suppleness. It is also about patience, and taking the time, seeing what the horse is willing to give. This transfers under saddle. I am enjoying the journey.

[Abby Kogler]

I would like to thank William and his method. A2R method has helped my horse and I, and still is. We do one session a week of stretches on the lunge, and it allows my horse to relax and improve his suppleness. It is also about patience, and taking the time, seeing what the horse is willing to give. This transfers under saddle. I am enjoying the journey.

This is no different than any good trainer.

[Lipsmackerpony88]

It speaks volumes that he had his minions come here to defend him. And not in the good light that he thinks.

It would be a comedy if it wasn't so sad.

[Abby Kogler]

It speaks volumes that he had his minions come here to defend him. And not in the good light that he thinks.

It would be a comedy if it wasn't so sad.

No kidding.

Asking for donations so he can sue me. Good grief! That is embarrassing!

Hes a grown man! Having a dramafest deluxe!
Asking the fangirls ( who I know really do just want the best for their horses and think that he is the “Way to Enlightenment” cause they dont have anyone talking to them about biomechanics, how to create relaxation, etc etc etc. ) to come here and shake their fingers and attest to his glories, and “fight the filth!” that Im so maliciously spreading...amazing.

[khall]

I really have no dog in this fight. Don’t know who this art2ride is. What is funny is that this thread was pretty much dead until his defenders resurrected it. So I have done some watching of videos to see what the fuss is all about. That stretching is extreme. No one I’ve ever worked with ever stretches the horse with the nose practically dragging on the ground. I’ve worked with Mark Russell and went to Portugal to ride with the Valenca’s who did work with Nuno Olivera. None taught this extreme stretch. Mark did work in a longer more extended frame but never with the nose dragging on the ground. The other big difference is the lack of lateral work. If you watch any of NO videos you see him using lateral work in all of his videos that are out there. Both on straight lines and bending lines. Any who have worked with NO teaches this both in hand and US. I can see how horses who are worked in art2ride manner end up with front leg problems. The neck is a fulcrum and as the horse collects the neck should come up out with an open throat latch. Lateral work is one of the main ways to collect the horse by straightening and strengthening them. This extreme stretching just buries them on the forehand. The stretch should just be a check of correct work not a way of training.

Please educate yourself to real classical training of NO. This is not it

[Hickory]

Pfffft I am not sure where even to begin.

I am a newly registered member and I came here because Will has asked us on his FB group to come here and write our personal experiences. So here I am. I started applying his method on my unbroken youngster with the best intentions in heart, in hindsight back then I was probably lacking some experience, though I was not a novice rider. I even sent a video for critique and got positive feedback from Will. Only when I started having serious problems in my discipline (I am a showjumper) did I turn to a local trainer. My training with the nose down has wrecked my horses technique over the jumps, which we kinda managed to fix in two years but still struggle with some aspects. I have paid dearly for my ignorance and kinda regret wasting so much time and potential with my horse just going around in circles with the nose down and an occasional leg yield believing we are not worthy or ready doing anything more. After years with art2ride I got a horse heavily on the forehand, very behind the leg, not trained really to do anything save the very basics. Yes you can argue that it is my fault I applied the method wrong and etc., and maybe you are right, but I did the best to my abilities and with the information I had. Reassurances from Will kept me going even though I was not happy with the way things were going. But it's still on me and I take responsibility. I had made a mistake, paid for it and now I know better.

In two years training with my showjumping trainer we managed to pull my horse off of the forehand and make it sit on the hind legs a bit (though there are still a lot of work to do in that aspect), we compete at 110cm classes and jump up to 130cm at home, we do leg yields, halfpases and shoulder ins in all three gaites, flying changes (we do correct dressage flying changes not late behind). Now I wonder how many years would it take for an art2ride horse to do all of that (aside from jumping), I see people training for years and years and still just going in circles doing nothing. Maybe I don't understand something but even if you don't want to compete isn't dressage for developing the horse physically? Wouldn't you want to do flying changes, passage and piaffe and things like that? I was hungry to see more complex movements from the members of the FB group as the time passed and their training progressed but they never came. Instead it's just post after post about some new horse with kissing spines which may never be rideable again.

I really wanna see Legolas now because he was my inspiration and I really liked that horse. If what you say is true you must make it public, post it on youtube with commentary to expose what had happened, thus maybe saving hundreds of horses from the same fate. Most people won't find this forum (I certainly wouldn't if it wasn't for Will). I don't really care for his personal life and I don't see how his film career affects what kind of trainer he is but the results of his horses and his students speak volumes. Sad to read about what happened to Anne Saari, didn't know she was blocked. Liked her horses too, do you know if she still practices Will's method?

[Belladressage]

No, Anne Saari doesn't practice art2ride anymore. You can find info about her experiences with art2ride and what she does now on this facebook page https://www.facebook.com/groups/1593128 ... ?ref=share

[Abby Kogler]

I have known Will personally since he rode and trained my horse in 2010. Legolas was ruined horse before Amber took him over. Lots of drama at the barn I get it. I am alone at my own place. I don’t subscribe to all trainers ideas bc ai have over 40 years of my own horse experience. I have ridden with Curtis Sage, Poulin, Sandi Chohaney, Mette Rosencrantz, many others. I ride for fun. Horses a lifestyle. A love. Will’s methods are unique and were effective on my horse. I grew up with classical German dressage something that was not really done much in the USA and classical dressage has gone almost underground. I think this is a personal axe to grind. I have been truly inspired by Will and watching in person for many years his methods 2010/2021. I don’t need to involve myself in any personal matters because I don’t board at barns and haven’t for many years. I never saw much that impressed me when ai boarded at Arroyo Del Mar for 16 years. Oh I was impressed with Andreas Hausberger who has trained the latest Olympic gold winner and her lovely horse Dalera.
Dressage is a passion and I hope the moderators of this group take away slanderous personal grudges and who cares if you don’t like Will? I like him. I have used him. Ps it’s really really hard to make a Lipizzaner stretch. Not like a point and click warmblood that is in fashion. Let’s support each other. Dressage is for harmony. I have seen in person so much harmony in horses Will has worked with.

Perhaps you missed the early videos of Amber and Lego at Carolines. Will enthoused how he had found this lovely horse and Amber had been so lucky to buy him. He sure looked sound in those videos. I could send you the PPE that attests to Legos PERFECT health, soundness, and xrays. I could send you the video his Sara made soon before Amber bought him. He was not broken.

This is consistent with Will. Every horse was wrecked before Will fixed him. A horse that does not do well in his program was Wrecked Before He Came. Perhaps was a lunatic, green, until Will saved her, But she had a nice record to fourth level. Contigo was wrecked and had never really been ridden but gee, he had a super score in his stallion testing and a nice career and as jumper. Q was the lovely perfect horse they had searched for and were lucky to find, Will said how easy she will be to train since she was a blank slate, but gee whiz now she was broken! and she has a Long Back! And she 'drops behind the bit!" so she needs that crank. And Lip bites since he lived in a pasture with other horses so is Dangerous! and needs a flash to keep him from biting! WTH is up with that, Master Horseman? Seriously? And though they have perfect footing and Karen is the trimmer fee whiz they are having foot problems and now are in shoes.

Will has put himself out there as Son of Nuno. And that Henriquet had the Answers. But Catherine Henriquest has asked Will to remove all references to her husband from his videos. He says he 'showed on the prestigious Florida Circuit" though there is NO RECORD of it. That always made me laugh regardless, cause I could take my donkey and go to any horse show I wanted...you pay the fees. you show, >;->

I am glad that stretching has helped. Too many trainers just pull and hold and thats no good either.

General responses to some of the above posts:

Will is claiming I 'spread filth" hahahahahaha~ ! hmmm...exposing a liar isnt 'filth"

I didnt sue or press charges. He was inappropriate and annoying, not dangerous. My daughters and students just went the long way around and avoided him. Its not a crime to be sleazy.

He did make a ridiculous soft porn movie, Clothing Optional.

The horse that his temper flipped out of a trailer did die. I watched it struggle, it lived across from my xties. It was one of the most horrible things I have ever witnessed. Karen said 'he always had a screw loose'. That was not true. He was lovely young TB who was anxious about loading. Will lip chained him and shanked his so violently that he flipped out of the trailer and concussed. After he woke up, bleeding from the nose and disoriented, Will tried to load him again but people intervened. This was a very public event with witnesses. I get it. Accidents happen. This was not an accident. It was temper and impatience. A Master Horseman.

He did act in a movie about vampires sucking menstrual blood,

He does exaggerate his bona fides.

He does blame everyone and everything for everything. He does trash everyone from de Kunffy to Heuschman. And now its me, oh boo hoo, A grown man goes on fb (a closed group, mind yoou) and asks for money to sue a girl who exposes him as a liar. A guy who for years has made every youtbue video about music, mairjuana, his moethod...hw many thousands of videos does Will have out there?! and he is whiniing about a girl, me, who has personal experience with him and his horses and wants MONEY to SUE ME. OMG! You couldnt make that up!

He and Karen did get Silver Medals. (some of his peeps are so green they seem to think these were Olympic medals, poor lambs)

I have no desire to be Daughter of Nuno or inflate my background or make a you tube channel All About Me or spend every hour of every waking day talking into my cell phone. I dont need Wills clients. I dont have professional jealousy, I have a wonderful life with lovely clients and friends and horses. Im not a sociopath or psychopath >;-D

I certainly never intended to make Tytti 'uneasy'. She and Katherine Potter were very kind and collegial. If anyone cares I have copies of our messages. They are nice people who love their horses and I wish them nothing but the best.

I have never been asked to leave a public facility.

I do ride.

I did not have a 'secret dont watch Abby Ride' status hahahahaha !!! Omg, who claims such a thing about someone >;->

I have never shown dressage and have never pretended so. I am a member of CDS and was chapter chair of TEV-CDS.

I am girl who loves horses and hates liars. Sue me >;-D

Everything thing I have stated about Will is true and verifiable.

A few things that are true, that are positive, that you, twist, and add your vendetta onto.

Pray tell what I have 'twisted"...

Notice Will doesnt deny anything in his whiny rant...he criticises *me*. He says he never saw me ride etc. He said I had a secret rule that no one could watch me ride lololol!!! Omg! I had a good sized training program at the Ranch Santa Fe Saddle Club and taught all day. I usually rode in the evenings. Will would come in the mornings, ride or lunge or whatever, and be out of there by noon or 1. So what if he never saw me ride and what difference could that possibly make?! Its so typical.

He told me when we first met he was sick of the horse world and only doing this until his movie was done. He was confident it would boost him to stardom. I guess that didnt work out, as here he still is.

Honestly, if he didnt wreck horses I would genuinely pity him. How sad, to have to make up a life...to need to lie to make yourself 'famous' whether its music or horses or whatever. What an empty person he must be to need to invent a life to try to impress people.

So he and his peeps can call me all the names they want and hypothesize about my mental health and motivations. Its all fine. I am not the only alter, I am not the only local girl who has lived through exposure to him, I am not the only girl who has been in barns he was asked to leave. He has made a reputation for himself here that is way larger than me. He can sue me if he likes. Im not concerned. He has a few devoted people, all of whom are very nice and mean well, but there are many more who are not fans.

[Ryeissa]

Anyone who knows much of anything can look at the videos and see what the reality is. Seeing what someone thinks of this method is a good indicator of experience imo.

yes. exactly. Been doing dressage for 30 yrs so don't need anyone telling me I don't know anything.....

The concept of stretching is Very Good. I strongly believe we need to vary the rein length to give the horses' neck full extension to be healthy long term..... This goes for all horses and all stages.....But ....only done in a proper framework looking at longitudinal/lateral balance, symmetry, connection over topline, thrust of hind legs, lift of the chest, and the horse being tuned to the aids and working in harmony.

I have zero energy for anything else on this topic. I'm actually amazed with Will being a "known quantity" for this many years people are still riding with him. I hate trainer zeal, its very damaging. No one should worship the trainer that much.....

If he's so good, why don't his results speak for themselves? I know lots of trainers that have no need to get the students to "talk for him". Its weird and bizzare.

[Tanga]

I had no clue until I saw this thread. Finally went to COTH a saw the video. OMG. What a mess. I could barely stop myself from telling them to pick up their reins! No wonder I've never heard of this person.

[Mhnin1994]

Hi All!
I just want to set the record straight about Lego's "horrible" pre-Amber life. I wasn't going to comment but the repeated "ruined before Amber" comments was driving me nuts. He was not ruined in the slightest before being sold to Amber. He had an easy and correct start. Good to lunge, great out on hacks through the orchards and consistent in his arena work. He had about 60 days under saddle at 3.5, he went back out to pasture for a bit and then came home and was ridden by his owners who rode under the guidance of some well respected trainers in CA. His owners loved him and gave him everything he deserved, needed and required to be and stay a healthy young prospect, which he was up until the moment he was dropped off at his new home. Personal circumstances forced the sale of Lego and it was really hard for them to let him go. He was family and they thought he was going to a loving FOREVER home. He had a PERFECT PPE that was done in literally in route to drop off to Amber when she lived in Napa. He had AWESOME feet. Previous owner insisted on driving him 5.5 hours up north themselves to make sure his new home was legit which it seemed it was. Once Amber moved him down to SD, Will proceeded to post about and trash the previous owners on his website saying Lego was a bolter and broken in the neck and so on and so on, all things he absolutely was not before being sold. Will mentioned that they brought Lego to a clinic in a western saddle??? Eye roll...not how that happened at all. Lego and one other horse were brought to a barn in Bakersfield for a saddle fitting with his wife, Karen. Will just so happened to be there doing a clinic and had time available for them to take a lesson and try some saddles out. He showed interest in Lego that day but Lego was not for sale at that time. When Lego did come up for sale, they contacted Will to see if he had anyone in mind that might be a good fit...he referred them to Amber. Sometimes horses have bad behavior and in this instance it wasn't because of the previous owners.....maybe Lego just didn't like where he was at and who he was with. Not every trainers style is for every horse and vice versa. I think part of Will's strategy is to make it look like he has fixed all these broken horses. It makes for a solid story and some of his may have been just that, but in this case he was wrong and speaking out of place.

How do I know all of this?? Because I AM LEGO's PREVIOUS OWNER! I bought sweet goofy lazy Lego as a 2.5 year old from a breeder/trainer in Northern CA. A trainer I used to work and ride for that knew I would be a great home and solid start for him. It was never my intention to have to sell him but ya know, sometimes shiz happens. I thought he was going to a great place when I sold him to Amber and well sometimes we are wrong. I have record of many conversations with Amber over the years about Lego and his health and if I had been in a position to take him back when she wanted to sell, I would have (she did call me to discuss). I never in a million years thought she would just dump him the way she did, she never indicated that she would give up on him like that. Getting that call from Abby regarding what happened to him literally broke my heart in two. Ultimately, Amber is the one that let Lego down. Not me. I did my best to ensure his health and happiness. So...please...for those defending Will saying Lego was ruined before Amber got him...know that is 100% not accurate. I am glad he is with Abby now. She is taking excellent care of him and rehabbing back to his normal, healthy and gorgeous self. If any of you would like to discuss further, about Lego only, please contact me privately. Cheers y'all.

[Chancellor]

Gosh, I'd love to see the video/post that has brought this flock of first timers here.

Me too! Just a little bit of drama to start the week.
And here I thought getting a new job was going to be sufficient drama for me.

[Chancellor]

MHNIN1994--I'm curious what brought you to this board and this thread.

[Jess]

Perhaps you missed the early videos of Amber and Lego at Carolines. Will enthoused how he had found this lovely horse and Amber had been so lucky to buy him. He sure looked sound in those videos. I could send you the PPE that attests to Legos PERFECT health, soundness, and xrays. I could send you the video his Sara made soon before Amber bought him. He was not broken.

This is consistent with Will. Every horse was wrecked before Will fixed him. A horse that does not do well in his program was Wrecked Before He Came. Perhaps was a lunatic, green, until Will saved her, But she had a nice record to fourth level. Contigo was wrecked and had never really been ridden but gee, he had a super score in his stallion testing and a nice career and as jumper. Q was the lovely perfect horse they had searched for and were lucky to find, Will said how easy she will be to train since she was a blank slate, but gee whiz now she was broken! and she has a Long Back! And she 'drops behind the bit!" so she needs that crank. And Lip bites since he lived in a pasture with other horses so is Dangerous! and needs a flash to keep him from biting! WTH is up with that, Master Horseman? Seriously? And though they have perfect footing and Karen is the trimmer fee whiz they are having foot problems and now are in shoes.

Will has put himself out there as Son of Nuno. And that Henriquet had the Answers. But Catherine Henriquest has asked Will to remove all references to her husband from his videos. He says he 'showed on the prestigious Florida Circuit" though there is NO RECORD of it. That always made me laugh regardless, cause I could take my donkey and go to any horse show I wanted...you pay the fees. you show, >;->

I am glad that stretching has helped. Too many trainers just pull and hold and thats no good either.

General responses to some of the above posts:

Will is claiming I 'spread filth" hahahahahaha~ ! hmmm...exposing a liar isnt 'filth"

I didnt sue or press charges. He was inappropriate and annoying, not dangerous. My daughters and students just went the long way around and avoided him. Its not a crime to be sleazy.

He did make a ridiculous soft porn movie, Clothing Optional.

The horse that his temper flipped out of a trailer did die. I watched it struggle, it lived across from my xties. It was one of the most horrible things I have ever witnessed. Karen said 'he always had a screw loose'. That was not true. He was lovely young TB who was anxious about loading. Will lip chained him and shanked his so violently that he flipped out of the trailer and concussed. After he woke up, bleeding from the nose and disoriented, Will tried to load him again but people intervened. This was a very public event with witnesses. I get it. Accidents happen. This was not an accident. It was temper and impatience. A Master Horseman.

He did act in a movie about vampires sucking menstrual blood,

He does exaggerate his bona fides.

He does blame everyone and everything for everything. He does trash everyone from de Kunffy to Heuschman. And now its me, oh boo hoo, A grown man goes on fb (a closed group, mind yoou) and asks for money to sue a girl who exposes him as a liar. A guy who for years has made every youtbue video about music, mairjuana, his moethod...hw many thousands of videos does Will have out there?! and he is whiniing about a girl, me, who has personal experience with him and his horses and wants MONEY to SUE ME. OMG! You couldnt make that up!

He and Karen did get Silver Medals. (some of his peeps are so green they seem to think these were Olympic medals, poor lambs)

I have no desire to be Daughter of Nuno or inflate my background or make a you tube channel All About Me or spend every hour of every waking day talking into my cell phone. I dont need Wills clients. I dont have professional jealousy, I have a wonderful life with lovely clients and friends and horses. Im not a sociopath or psychopath >;-D

I certainly never intended to make Tytti 'uneasy'. She and Katherine Potter were very kind and collegial. If anyone cares I have copies of our messages. They are nice people who love their horses and I wish them nothing but the best.

I have never been asked to leave a public facility.

I do ride.

I did not have a 'secret dont watch Abby Ride' status hahahahaha !!! Omg, who claims such a thing about someone >;->

I have never shown dressage and have never pretended so. I am a member of CDS and was chapter chair of TEV-CDS.

I am girl who loves horses and hates liars. Sue me >;-D

Everything thing I have stated about Will is true and verifiable.

A few things that are true, that are positive, that you, twist, and add your vendetta onto.

Pray tell what I have 'twisted"...

Notice Will doesnt deny anything in his whiny rant...he criticises *me*. He says he never saw me ride etc. He said I had a secret rule that no one could watch me ride lololol!!! Omg! I had a good sized training program at the Ranch Santa Fe Saddle Club and taught all day. I usually rode in the evenings. Will would come in the mornings, ride or lunge or whatever, and be out of there by noon or 1. So what if he never saw me ride and what difference could that possibly make?! Its so typical.

He told me when we first met he was sick of the horse world and only doing this until his movie was done. He was confident it would boost him to stardom. I guess that didnt work out, as here he still is.

Honestly, if he didnt wreck horses I would genuinely pity him. How sad, to have to make up a life...to need to lie to make yourself 'famous' whether its music or horses or whatever. What an empty person he must be to need to invent a life to try to impress people.

So he and his peeps can call me all the names they want and hypothesize about my mental health and motivations. Its all fine. I am not the only alter, I am not the only local girl who has lived through exposure to him, I am not the only girl who has been in barns he was asked to leave. He has made a reputation for himself here that is way larger than me. He can sue me if he likes. Im not concerned. He has a few devoted people, all of whom are very nice and mean well, but there are many more who are not fans.

You twist, and have claimed things that are beyond the pail, without any proof and don't supply any proof, again, as asked. If you were truthful, you would supply your proof, in the blink of an eye. That is natural human behaviour to prove oneself, when it is true.

You are not correct. Will vehemently denies what you have been saying, he does so, in writing, and in video, and has done so, since he discovered you.

Please have some kindness, spend loving times with what sooths you and stop your vendetta, I feel sorry for you, for you to be acting this way, you will literally make yourself seriously sick, Abby, to have these emotions inside you.

Please, please, please, let this go and take care of yourself, be with nature, breathe, do yoga, take walks, eat beautiful food that is healthy, treat yourself with some love, get and give hugs, please live in the moment, enjoy the wonderful little things, and be grateful for what is beautiful in your life.

[Mhnin1994]

@Chancellor
I know a handful of people that saw his video on FB and then read this thread and then informed me of what was being discussed so I checked it out.

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Gosh, I'd love to see the video/post that has brought this flock of first timers here.

Me too! Just a little bit of drama to start the week.
And here I thought getting a new job was going to be sufficient drama for me.

I looked at the art2ride fb page and on will's fb page and didn't find anything. but apparently there is a video somewhere!

[Abby Kogler]

Gosh, I'd love to see the video/post that has brought this flock of first timers here.

Me too! Just a little bit of drama to start the week.
And here I thought getting a new job was going to be sufficient drama for me.

I looked at the art2ride fb page and on will's fb page and didn't find anything. but apparently there is a video somewhere!

He is asking for donations so he can sue me for defamation.

[Abby Kogler]

Oh Jess, look up his record yourself.

He weites on the website that he studied extensively with Nuno, his greatest influence. Now, not so much.

He says he competed successfully on the “prestgious Fl circuit” for years. But he didnt

He says Lego was broken and a bokter. But he wasnt.

He said Q was broken from the incorrect use of sidereins. But she wasnt.

I am a kind and calm person, thank you, and am not consumed by hate i love horses. Not as vehicles or accessories or a way to make money. When I see them misused, I dont like it. When I personally have seen very sketchy work, and seen many horses not do well, when I know the various facility owners and managers that have sent them off the property, and I know people who can check bona fides, I am going to do so. The horse world is actuslly quite small. People like Will get a reputation pretty quickly. Im happy that people are learning in hand work, and the value of stretching. But Will is wrong and his work is wrong and he has made ip his background. Its so funny that he would call me a coward or whatever :/) when he hides on his closed group and asks his acolytes to go poke the mean girl.

Read the previous owner of Lego. Ask Diana Murphy if she broke Q.

I dont twist anything. I dont have to. He made his own reality, its not my fault its not true.

Anyone can friend me on fb or come meet me.

[SillyMe]

If you understand narcissistic personality traits, Will fits the bill. He most definitely has black and white thinking. Take Schleese Saddles as an example. When they were affiliated with that company, they were wonderful. But when they broke ties, Will said the "female" saddle was a gimmick. There are more examples of this either "all good" or "all bad" thinking with his associate trainers that broke ties with him. They were all great, until they asked questions about why his "method" wasn't working, then they were awful, terrible people. That is putting what was said mildly. Also, all of their contributions to the a2r youtube and "fan" group were deleted and they were blocked. How interesting! Kind of hard to find them if you don't know where to look. Bury the evidence and all. There are numerous "students" who also figured out that his "method" was damaging their horses and congregated into groups of FORMER A2R people who needed confirmation that they, too, were experiencing the same things

This latest stunt, crying foul while sending his flying monkeys out to defend him, is another example of a narcissist. A person who was serious about bringing charges would at least have filed a cease and desist by now. A smart person would not be making his plan of action public. A narcissist needs to garner all the sympathy he can get while pretending to take action.

His grandiosity is also off the charts with his many "amazing accomplishments" which turn out to be only grand in his own mind. There are many more questionable behaviors but all you have to do is take the blinders off to see them.

If his method is so amazing, why don't we see tons of a2r horses winning in the show ring? And why did he have have to "create" his own dressage tests and supposed dressage federation? Grandiose much?

I have not met Will in person but did have one e-mail interaction with him which took me a little by surprise given how rude it was. I sent him a picture of my horse and asked his opinion of his topline. I was responded to as if I had been riding my horse upside down for decades and ruined him. Interestingly, he was a 22 year old gelding who had been recovering from a previous laminitis and had not been ridden in quite a few years. With this in mind, I was not really shocked to hear others say he was also very rude and condescending to them. Not at all surprised that he claims every horse he has touched was "ruined" before he got it. Narcissists are never responsible for their own errors but always quick to point out the errors of others.

There are many patterns here that can continually be observed if you "train your eye."

[heddylamar]

Gosh, I'd love to see the video/post that has brought this flock of first timers here.

Me too! Just a little bit of drama to start the week.
And here I thought getting a new job was going to be sufficient drama for me.

Popcorn, anyone?

[Belladressage]

If you understand narcissistic personality traits, Will fits the bill. He most definitely has black and white thinking. Take Schleese Saddles as an example. When they were affiliated with that company, they were wonderful. But when they broke ties, Will said the "female" saddle was a gimmick. There are more examples of this either "all good" or "all bad" thinking with his associate trainers that broke ties with him. They were all great, until they asked questions about why his "method" wasn't working, then they were awful, terrible people. That is putting what was said mildly. Also, all of their contributions to the a2r youtube and "fan" group were deleted and they were blocked. How interesting! Kind of hard to find them if you don't know where to look. Bury the evidence and all. There are numerous "students" who also figured out that his "method" was damaging their horses and congregated into groups of FORMER A2R people who needed confirmation that they, too, were experiencing the same things

This latest stunt, crying foul while sending his flying monkeys out to defend him, is another example of a narcissist. A person who was serious about bringing charges would at least have filed a cease and desist by now. A smart person would not be making his plan of action public. A narcissist needs to garner all the sympathy he can get while pretending to take action.

His grandiosity is also off the charts with his many "amazing accomplishments" which turn out to be only grand in his own mind. There are many more questionable behaviors but all you have to do is take the blinders off to see them.

If his method is so amazing, why don't we see tons of a2r horses winning in the show ring? And why did he have have to "create" his own dressage tests and supposed dressage federation? Grandiose much?

I have not met Will in person but did have one e-mail interaction with him which took me a little by surprise given how rude it was. I sent him a picture of my horse and asked his opinion of his topline. I was responded to as if I had been riding my horse upside down for decades and ruined him. Interestingly, he was a 22 year old gelding who had been recovering from a previous laminitis and had not been ridden in quite a few years. With this in mind, I was not really shocked to hear others say he was also very rude and condescending to them. Not at all surprised that he claims every horse he has touched was "ruined" before he got it. Narcissists are never responsible for their own errors but always quick to point out the errors of others.

There are many patterns here that can continually be observed if you "train your eye."

Omg yes, the schleese saddles!! How could we forget about that! Poor Karen got her customers new custom schleese saddles with measurements beeing off all the time, so ofcourse they made a lot of mistakes at the factory and decided to stop selling schleese and start with pH saddles. Karen is so unlucky to be THE ONLY SCHLEESE FITTER to have dealt with this issue...

[Chancellor]

I really have no dog in this fight. Don’t know who this art2ride is. What is funny is that this thread was pretty much dead until his defenders resurrected it. So I have done some watching of videos to see what the fuss is all about. That stretching is extreme. No one I’ve ever worked with ever stretches the horse with the nose practically dragging on the ground. I’ve worked with Mark Russell and went to Portugal to ride with the Valenca’s who did work with Nuno Olivera. None taught this extreme stretch. Mark did work in a longer more extended frame but never with the nose dragging on the ground. The other big difference is the lack of lateral work. If you watch any of NO videos you see him using lateral work in all of his videos that are out there. Both on straight lines and bending lines. Any who have worked with NO teaches this both in hand and US. I can see how horses who are worked in art2ride manner end up with front leg problems. The neck is a fulcrum and as the horse collects the neck should come up out with an open throat latch. Lateral work is one of the main ways to collect the horse by straightening and strengthening them. This extreme stretching just buries them on the forehand. The stretch should just be a check of correct work not a way of training.

Please educate yourself to real classical training of NO. This is not it

It amazes me that people don't realize that the thread was pretty much dead. But hey, now the board is getting some traffic. Maybe I should make people start paying $5 to join.

[Ryeissa]

Gosh, I'd love to see the video/post that has brought this flock of first timers here.

Me too! Just a little bit of drama to start the week.
And here I thought getting a new job was going to be sufficient drama for me.

Popcorn, anyone?

sure, send some over. though none of us really can take any of this seriously.... I'm sorry Minh (former owner) has to see her horse Lego get ruined. That must be super hard.
The good news is we can block Jess and get back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Chancellor]

Gosh, I'd love to see the video/post that has brought this flock of first timers here.

Me too! Just a little bit of drama to start the week.
And here I thought getting a new job was going to be sufficient drama for me.

I looked at the art2ride fb page and on will's fb page and didn't find anything. but apparently there is a video somewhere!

Can anyone link to said video?

[Ryeissa]

I don't know....here is his youtube? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLTTnk ... epGXqJlwQw

Not one stretching posture shows any lift of the chest or proper use of the thorasic sling. Its not THAT hard, come on.....

[Hickory]

Can anyone link to said video?

You have to be a member of the FB group to see it but here it is: https://www.facebook.com/10000150186844 ... 979693025/

[Lipsmackerpony88]

I don't know....here is his youtube? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLTTnk ... epGXqJlwQw

Not one stretching posture shows any lift of the chest or proper use of the thorasic sling. Its not THAT hard, come on.....

One of the things that amazes me the most, is the riding. I don't agree with the extreme stretching although I understand why one could be temporarily fooled into thinking it's a good thing, But the bouncing seats, sawing hands and elbows behind their torso is really mind-boggling to me.

Although I think watching the latest videos part of it is because the horses balance is so off so that the riders also cannot keep their own balance. Or maybe it's all very intentional I'm not sure.

[Lipsmackerpony88]

Holy run on sentence, sorry guys. Using talk to text.

[Ryeissa]

I don't know....here is his youtube? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLTTnk ... epGXqJlwQw

Not one stretching posture shows any lift of the chest or proper use of the thorasic sling. Its not THAT hard, come on.....

One of the things that amazes me the most, is the riding. I don't agree with the extreme stretching although I understand why one could be temporarily fooled into thinking it's a good thing, But the bouncing seats, sawing hands and elbows behind their torso is really mind-boggling to me.

Although I think watching the latest videos part of it is because the horses balance is so off so that the riders also cannot keep their own balance. Or maybe it's all very intentional I'm not sure.

yeah, but its not GOOD stretching. It isn't teaching the horse about the reins if they are not even on the aids. Its just putting the head down. They are really really on the forehand. I agree totally, the riders and horses are not in balance. (Not talking about collection, just basic balance).

[Chancellor]

I just watched a video.
I'm very confused. I can see why someone would think this was a good thing. there is some stretch going on.
At what point, is the horse allowed to get his nose up off the ground? Is there a video somewhere with the horse doing actual working gaits? (Even if the working gaits are suitable for the World Dressage Federation).
What does a "good" ride look like???
All of you who came here to support Will, can you point me to it?

[Lipsmackerpony88]

Totally agree and I would also love if the followers would tell us if the riding posture is something they are instructed to do or is it just a side effect? Or is there thought to be some benefit to ride with your hands like that?

I thought it was just a Will thing but a lot of them ride in a very similar way. Some less extreme than others.

Although I'm pretty sure Ryeissa is right. But I'm curious about what the actual instruction for this stuff is.

[Chancellor]

One of the riding evals I was watching the woman talked about how her arms were behind her torso too much and that she was working on it. So, I am not sure it is desirable.

Its interesting. I have a Morgan horse and student who could benefit from some deep stretching like this once in awhile for like 5 minutes.

[Lipsmackerpony88]

Well at least they aren't teaching people to ride that way with their elbows like that. But I've seen a lot of videos on Facebook and such and it seems like almost everyone rides that way.
https://youtu.be/C8VfbAw9Np0

I thought this video was interesting. Honestly I don't know their whole story or how long they had this horse. But judging from the videos it was at least for 6 years. There is videos of them doing in hand work in Piaffe.

But what is interesting in this video is they talk about how they need the double bridle because sometimes he will bolt. I am certainly not an expert in riding in a double. But I found that interesting.

Will also talks about that the reason Hunter jumpers and riders go to the hospital It's because they are riding their horses hollow to the jumps. It's just hard for me to imagine that it would be safe to ride a horse to the jumps with their nose on the ground? If that is the alternative that he is suggesting?

I also think this horse's neck definitely looks odd in the video.

It is a bit crazy to see a horse in a program for multiple years and then for him to be given away for free later on which is why I'm understanding happened.

[Domica]

From the videos I’ve seen there’s no consistency in the contact. For me the consistency must come first, and only then do you encourage the forward, down and out. The videos I’ve watched show inconsistent contact, and the horses go down and deep rather than fdo.

[Ryeissa]

From the videos I’ve seen there’s no consistency in the contact. For me the consistency must come first, and only then do you encourage the forward, down and out. The videos I’ve watched show inconsistent contact, and the horses go down and deep rather than fdo.

yeah, its just all so misapplied..... its sad because good stretching is so critical and here he's teaching something so wrong.

[Ryeissa]

Legolas

[Ryeissa]

Never mind

[Ryeissa]

never mind

[Ryeissa]

Never mind

[Ryeissa]

Never mind

[Abby Kogler]

Rye, the photos you posted are of Legolas and his owner Amber. I think this one is about 'putting it all together' and being in collection. The post by Legos prior owner is above.

There are dozens and dozens of videos of Lego, from the very beginning when they showcased him not long after Amber started working with Will. He is shown at a barn here in my town of Fallbrook. There is a video of his first show, at a local small schooling show. Yes, Will more than once said they rode him in a double because he bolts. Seriously. Same idea I guess of strapping Lip in a flash cause he used to live in a pasture, wasnt handled much, and was aggressive with stallion like behaviours. Riiiight. So you flash a horse to keep it from bitiing you. Got it. Gee, I wish I were a Master Horseman and knew these Amazing Training Secrets!

I saw that Amber had him for sale on Dreamhorse. I was really surprised. I had not been paying any attention to Will although I would hear periodically that he had been in and out of various barns. But Legp was the poster child of A2R, so I was really shocked. Amber was honest that he had soundness problems and needed 'maintenance" but then listed PRP, IRAP, Osphos and I thought sheesh, not sure I would call those 'maintenance',,,! But I did not contact her, just wondered what was up. He was listed at 10000. Fast forward a few months I saw him on Dreamhorse again, but with a different seller, a trainer I knew well and liked very much, who I had met when we were all boarders at the Rancho Santa Fe Saddle Club, where I met Will. I still didnt contact her but I was really curious. A couple of weeks later I saw that she put him on Craigslist with a fairly desperate soundiing ad. I gave in, and contacted her. She had a client who found Ambers original ad. They went to see him at what was described as a 'trial" or free lease type of situation, He was thin and lame and lived alone in a dirt field. The client bought him out of pity. Amber was very upfront about his soundness history. They kept him for a few months and did many expensive treatments for him and loved him very much. But he was not staying sound and really was not an appropriate horse for his novice adult rider. Hence the sale. After I contacted the trainer he was here within the week. I did not need another horse >;-> But this broke my heart.

I want to be very clear that Amber was above board about his issues. She did everything she could to care for him. She believed in Will and his methods and still does. While I blame her for not recognizing the cause of Legos problems I know that she loved him very much and did what she thought was best for him. She could not afford too keep him and thought that the placement she free leased him to would work. So although I say he was 'dumped' I do not ascribe lack of concern for him by Amber. I see it as beiing dumped by a2r. He was an expensive unrideable drain. But I see his end as so typical of the a2r experience. The Great Lego!! The Phabulous Work That Keeps Horses Sound! oops, dang, broken...gee, he is so big! gee, bad farrier! buhbye! next!

As much as I can laugh about Will and his ridiculous shenanigans, the whole things just makes me very sad. These lovely horses, voiceless, going around, breaking by bits.

And of course the riders look like that cause omg if not they would go flying ass over teakettle. Before I got booted there are videos of Karen cantering that nice mare...Seriously, its just a train wreck. They dont have those videos on their you tube channel, you have to be a member of the fb page to see them. They are frantically scrubbing members now, since the see Stalkers Everywhere! They must think I have more alters >;-D