In which I'm reminded how much horse shopping sucks!

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Postby Quelah » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:04 am

redsoxluvr wrote:
Xanthoria wrote:Josette he does look like a nice boy. Listed as a KWPN but his sire Whiskei is a Dutch harness horse, and the dam? Her name is Downylands Daisy - I wonder what she is. I wonder how they do in eventing? No performance record to be seen for sire or dam.

Seller is in Scottdale AZ but her 13 "KWPN" horses for sale are in KY, OR, IL, Az... hmmm...? Odd.


The seller is local to AZ but gets her DHH horses from KY and such. She has a few on her FB page that are quite scopey - have you seen them?
As an aside, if there is something you are interested in, I may be able to preview it for you.


Have a caution there and make sure they're not coming from Amish breeders as they are heavily breeding DHH these days.

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Postby Xanthoria » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:06 am

That’s exactly what I thought, Q!

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Postby Chisamba » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:38 am

Is Amish breeders a dirty word? I acquired my best young horse ever from one. Sadly I lost her in the fire but every clinician I rode her with were very positive about her.

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Postby StraightForward » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:02 pm

This one is just up the road from me. Not sure on the price, but being green, maybe within budget? Not sure if she it too dressage type, not enough motor for you, but Sarah M. is an advanced eventer, so I'm sure they could tell you. Mittleider Eventing on Facebook:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THLNscj ... f5uxBOC1RY
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Postby Xanthoria » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:41 pm

No mention of jumping ability anywhere - I think she’s s dressage horse.

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Postby scruffy the cat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:01 pm

I think she's miles more suitable for eventing than the DHH. She's super green and clearly not an easy ride and by the edits, guess her canter transitions are, uh, a work in progress, but her natural movement is much more efficient and effortless than some of the others. I kind of like her.

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Postby Xanthoria » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:23 pm

Agree on all points except if she’s with an eventing trainer, and she can jump, they’d show it for sure ;)

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Postby scruffy the cat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:48 pm

Not necessarily. After all, they're savvy enough to avoid showing her canter transitions because they are probably too green for everyone to see. If she's just starting off jumping and gets awkward sometimes, they might not put that out for public consumption just yet. She does not look like an easy ride and she might not be the right fit, but there are a few things I do like about her.

Am I incorrect that the sire, Semper Fidelis, is by Tzigane? So jumping lines Trakehner.

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Postby musical comedy » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:14 pm

Xanthoria wrote:Agree on all points except if she’s with an eventing trainer, and she can jump, they’d show it for sure ;)
She has an event record at Novice.
https://eventing.startboxscoring.com/ev ... rder=place

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Postby scruffy the cat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:29 pm

Thanks for the reminder to check. She has 3 outings at novice, 1 at BN.

USEA Horse lookup: https://useventing.com/events-competiti ... ?id=188716

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Re: In which I'm reminded how much horse shopping sucks!

Postby Snork » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:18 pm

scruffy the cat wrote:... the sire, Semper Fidelis, is by Tzigane? So jumping lines Trakehner.


But the damsire is Regazzoni. I've only personally known one horse by him, but by all accounts he was pretty representative (with the usual warnings the plural of anecdote is not data and all that). Beautiful, overly sensitive, spooky as all come out and not at all cooperative beast. Gorgeous enough to be a stallion candidate in Germany, difficult enough that after the "no thank you" he was quietly gelded and sold to the US. By the time I met him he was on the owner No 4? 5? something like this, over here and the young, gutsy professional who had him at the time relived Hi-Ho Silver many a time in front of my eyes. zero work ethic and didn't particularly like anyone. YMMV

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Postby Xanthoria » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:22 pm

So, Snork's wise words aside, I still do feel that if a horse has a marketable skill in jumping, it is generally shown jumping, and the ad mentions it. These people are eventers, so they're looking for that talent, and they don't appear to think she has it. Or they're just bad at marketing.

Flying to Idaho to see one questionable horse for a weekend is not in the cards. For not ALL that much more (really!) I could be flying to Ireland to see more than a dozen in the same time span, all of whom are jumping out of their skins.

So, I expect I could get all the details from the seller (I can't even see a price... did I miss that?) all signs point to this being something I probably wouldn't pursue. But what the heck: I've PMd them for a price and a video... :lol:

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Postby Xanthoria » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:54 pm

Well here ya go, from the seller: $40k for a 5 yo and NO, there's no jumping video.

No chance.

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Postby musical comedy » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:34 pm

You said you were going to inquire about this one in Michigan I linked. Did you? http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation. ... -prospect/

I'm guessing there was some red flag.

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Postby blob » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:06 pm

I don't know if you already looked at this one, but it has jumping videos and looks well priced...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 0342482486

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Postby Xanthoria » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:11 pm

musical comedy wrote:You said you were going to inquire about this one in Michigan I linked. Did you? http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation. ... -prospect/

I'm guessing there was some red flag.


I did inquire, same day - there was no reply.

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Postby blob » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:30 pm

Well that's annoying, perhaps she sold very quickly

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Postby Anne » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:52 am

Guess you don't want to import from NZ?! I saw this ad today, and the jumping pics caught my eye:
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(full ad at : https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/equest ... 8e8d4efda5 )

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Postby Xanthoria » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:16 am

Nice jumper! Looking for 16h min and yeah, the import fees might be a bit much :mrgreen:

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Re: In which I'm reminded how much horse shopping sucks!

Postby heddylamar » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:03 am

WOW! *I* might need another prospect! Move over Xan 8-)

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Postby scruffy the cat » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:04 am

Xanthoria wrote:So, Snork's wise words aside, I still do feel that if a horse has a marketable skill in jumping, it is generally shown jumping, and the ad mentions it. These people are eventers, so they're looking for that talent, and they don't appear to think she has it. Or they're just bad at marketing.

Flying to Idaho to see one questionable horse for a weekend is not in the cards. For not ALL that much more (really!) I could be flying to Ireland to see more than a dozen in the same time span, all of whom are jumping out of their skins.

So, I expect I could get all the details from the seller (I can't even see a price... did I miss that?) all signs point to this being something I probably wouldn't pursue. But what the heck: I've PMd them for a price and a video... :lol:


Well, I assumed with the location that the discussion was mostly academic so enjoyed it as such. The price/video issue was disappointing even if she was located in the next town. Ireland is an awesome other option. :-)

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Re: In which I'm reminded how much horse shopping sucks!

Postby redsoxluvr » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:50 pm

Sent you a lead, Xan

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Postby PaulaO » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:31 pm

Do you have $65K? Cuz this girl is lovely

http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation. ... ting-mare/

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Postby heddylamar » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:05 pm

Check out this guy.

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Postby PaulaO » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 am

Check out Hunter Alisha on FB. She’s in the Czech Repubic and has nice horses at reasonable prices. Someone on CoH posted about her.

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Postby Xanthoria » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:18 pm

musical comedy wrote:You said you were going to inquire about this one in Michigan I linked. Did you? http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation. ... -prospect/

I'm guessing there was some red flag.


Ok so finally spoke to the seller! yes there's a red flag - sarcoids. BUT am engaging her vet and my vet in discussion/vet records review. I've never dealt w sarcoids and opinions range from HELL NO to no probs...

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Postby Xanthoria » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:19 pm

PaulaO wrote:Do you have $65K? Cuz this girl is lovely

http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation. ... ting-mare/


Do I? No. Is she? YAAASSS!

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Postby Xanthoria » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:20 pm

heddylamar wrote:Check out this guy.


Is 1/4 Percheron. Not for me.

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Postby Fatcat » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:04 am

Xanthoria wrote:
musical comedy wrote:You said you were going to inquire about this one in Michigan I linked. Did you? http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation. ... -prospect/

I'm guessing there was some red flag.


Ok so finally spoke to the seller! yes there's a red flag - sarcoids. BUT am engaging her vet and my vet in discussion/vet records review. I've never dealt w sarcoids and opinions range from HELL NO to no probs...


I would not shy away from sarcoids. I had a horse with one that we successfully had disappear with a Hilton herbs cream called Virex. It's been about 15 years since and it never came back.

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Postby Xanthoria » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:20 am

Hm. Good to know!

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Postby KathyK » Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:56 pm

Fatcat wrote:
Xanthoria wrote:
musical comedy wrote:You said you were going to inquire about this one in Michigan I linked. Did you? http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation. ... -prospect/

I'm guessing there was some red flag.


Ok so finally spoke to the seller! yes there's a red flag - sarcoids. BUT am engaging her vet and my vet in discussion/vet records review. I've never dealt w sarcoids and opinions range from HELL NO to no probs...


I would not shy away from sarcoids. I had a horse with one that we successfully had disappear with a Hilton herbs cream called Virex. It's been about 15 years since and it never came back.

The red flag for me is the stranglehold the horse is being ridden with, both on the flat and over fences, resulting in his being behind the vertical almost all the time. There will be some retraining to do with this one, IMHO.

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Postby scruffy the cat » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:42 pm

My red flag is no competition results or video footage in over a year...

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Postby Xanthoria » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:12 pm

Ah yes. I’ve spoken to the seller and without going into detail there’s a reasonable explanation for that.

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Postby scruffy the cat » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:24 pm

Good, I'm glad.

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Postby blob » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:23 pm

scruffy the cat wrote:My red flag is no competition results or video footage in over a year...


If i were selling my horse, there would be lots and lots of moments like that by not fault of my horse but because of me!

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Postby Josette » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:56 pm

ok - I love TBs. period. Here is another I like. :)

https://www.warmblood-sales.com/HorseDe ... erID=19213

(Forgot to say - I don't hold his color against him.)

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Postby Bip » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:49 am

Josette wrote:ok - I love TBs. period. Here is another I like. :)

https://www.warmblood-sales.com/HorseDe ... erID=19213

(Forgot to say - I don't hold his color against him.)


At least he’s a doctor, so he’ll impress your parents!

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Postby Xanthoria » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:11 am

Guys bad news - I lost my job (layoffs) last week. Horse fund is now emergency fund until I can find a new job :(

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Postby khall » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:11 am

I'm so sorry Xan! Jingles for a new job soon!!

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Postby Koolkat » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:02 am

Ugh, so sorry to hear that, Xan. Let us know how life is going for you even if not horsecentric. KK

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Postby piedmontfields » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:57 pm

Well, crap. I hope this opening leads to better things and more horses in due time. Do keep us posted.

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Postby Chancellor » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:56 pm

Oh crap Xan! That sucks!

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Postby heddylamar » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:19 pm

Oh no. I am so sorry, Xan.

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Postby Josette » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:08 pm

Ditto - crap! Sorry to hear this Xan. Best Wishes to you.

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Postby KathyK » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:25 pm

That sucks way more than horse shopping does. I hope you're back to being able to think about horse shopping again very soon.

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Postby Anne » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:46 pm

Oh crap Xan, that is tough, here is hoping another job materialises quickly. Good luck!

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Postby StraightForward » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:58 pm

Well damn! I guess better now than right after you bought a new horse. I hope you find something better soon!
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Postby Xanthoria » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:49 pm

I know, right! Imagine having a new horse to take care of, and it'd have to be in a stall due to the mud here ($$$) - I'd be freaking out.

It was not a total shock: a lot of my horse buying dithering was due to a tiny voice in the back of my mind wondering if this might happen, and only the perfect horse would have made me ignore that. I got a small severance package. That, plus my emergency fund (aka horse shopping fund...) and supportive Mr Xan, and I'll be fine. Still waking up with my stomach in knots over it every day though...

On the plus side, my parents are visiting in Feb so I'll have loads of time to see them.

Horse wise, I have 3 people at my barn who have offered to let me ride their horses anytime. I have also been offered a free lease on a going N/T eventer, but can I justify the board etc? Not realistically. So that's frustrating, but it is a nice compliment from the trainer, who I met while trying an Int/Adv eventer who was fairly bonkers, and I rode out the madness with a giggle :lol:

My dutch gelding is at 30 mins tack walking per day and appearing sound, so we will start trot work next month. Fingers x-ed he stays sound and I can go back to plan A: hassling you guys about how to "get me out of training level!" and hitting 2nd in 3 years (self imposed deadline because I like stress apparently :mrgreen: )

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Postby Ryeissa » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:25 pm

Jingles! Sorry about the job loss.

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Postby M&M » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:02 pm

JIngling for an awesome new job for you, that starts right after your parents' visit.
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