Sweet Itch

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Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:52 pm

I meant to ask earlier but it my annual question....anything new that folks are using/trying for Sweet Itch this summer.

My pony Chase...

Covered nose to tip of tail with fly sheet (Amigo Bug Buster)

Ecovet fly spray

Bye Bye Itch Supplement

Just ordered Niacinamide 500 mg

any suggestions?

Thanks!!!

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby kande50 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:05 pm

Just ran across this article: http://thehorsesback.com/neck-threadworms/

Someone had mentioned to me that her horse, or horses, had neck threadworms, which sounded a lot easier to treat than sweet itch, so when one of mine started rubbing out his mane I gave him a double dose of ivermectin which did appear to work for him. I think the symptoms are similar, but horses with sweet itch are itchy around the tail, too? Or something like that.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:22 pm

They can be itchy all over....face, legs, tail, belly. Happy that your horse did not have Sweet Itch, it's frustrating trying to figure out what works best. And what works one summer, may not work as well the next summer

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby goldhorse » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:29 pm

Oh yes, sweet itch. I HATE sweet itch.
Fly sheet.
These fly boots. I've tried them all. These truly stay up http://www.sstack.com/horse-blankets-an ... ots-01871/
Niacainamide-I use 1000mg per day on a 1300 lb horse
This supplement https://www.scahealth.com/scah/product/ ... supplement
Ecovet fly spray
I hang these from his fly sheet http://www.flyarmor.net/Fly%20Armor%20H ... oducts.htm
Alu-spray over bitten spots to keep them from becoming open wounds. I see this horse only once a week so I try to make barriers around the worst areas.
Am going to try hydrocortisone spray, calamine spray, and benadryl spray next.
Frequent baths even if it is just a water rinse. Anything to get the insect saliva off. I think this one is underrated. It has made a big difference for me this year. I got this tidbit from the head of Dermatology at UC Davis vet school. I'll have to thank him next time I see him. Other than everything that you and I are doing, the only other advice that this vet had to offer was allergy shots.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Chisamba » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:52 pm

I suspect that perhaps you cannot do this, from your comments but i find environmental control the best option. I bring my horses with sweet itch in for the dawn hours and dusk hours when the gnats are most active, i keep their environment as clean as possible and give them a fan, all of which tends to dissuade gnats from entering. I do use swat on areas that are slightly raw, I have one horse that does reasonably well on benadryl, orally.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:08 am

Chisamba...Oh, yes....I bring him in before dusk and he goes out after dawn, I didn't think to add that to my original post but I should have. We have a farm so he lives right here. I try my best to keep his stall clean as possible and we even spray the sides of his stall with fly spray. And he does have a fan on him, and I have the fan on before I even bring him in so it can hopefully help get the gnats/mites out before he even goes in.

I have never tried Benadryl ...what dosage do you use? Our pony is probably a tad over 800 pounds.

Goldhorse...I am right there with you....HATE Sweet Itch....thanks for your reply and links!! Love the fly boots, right now the gnats/mites aren't bothering his legs. But...I'd rather be pro-active and not wait for them to decide to start biting his legs. And thanks for the information on your supplement, I may order that tomorrow. Interesting, I have started giving him more frequent baths and I know he really enjoys it.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Chisamba » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:18 am

On the advice of my vet I give 10 25mg tablets twice a day. The horse is about 950 to 1000 lbs.

I buy the huge bottles at a bulk warehouse.

You can switch to Zyrtec if the benadryl becomes less effective, as humans do.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:10 pm

Thanks!! I will get some next time I am in town.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Abby Kogler » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:16 pm

I would do what you are doing and also do the ivermec protocol re threadworm microfilaria. I also use 1% steroid cream on the places where my one guy scratches the most...mane, midline. It seems to be very soothing.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:14 pm

Goldhorse..I did buy some Niacainamide but wondering the theory behind using Niacainamide?

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby goldhorse » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:12 am

Niacinamide=Nicotinamide
In England, there is a product called Cavaleese that is purported to help with sweet itch (not available in the States) I believe it acts as an antihistamine.
http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/Cavalesse-Sa ... AVALESSES/
Investigating it further, it is what we call in the USA niacinamide. I figured out the dose and it is about 750 mg for a 1200-1300 lb horse. Humans take 500-1000mg a day for usually high cholesterol. So the same dose for a horse seems very low.
The derm vet at UC Davis told me that new studies are showing that it's not very effective but he said to give it a try. It's cheap and harmless and if it helps, then great. So I give it.
Today, I used a hydrocortisone spray for dogs. My horse is itching his face raw. Anywhere that isn't covered is raw. I also ordered a shampoo with hydrocortisone in it. https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.htm ... fgodD-MHsg
I also have a call into a good friend who's a human dermatologist to see if there's a low cost product with hydrocortisone for coating large areas. Those little tubes of CortAid are worthless for this.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby goldhorse » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:26 am

And here's an article from a vet journal with some suggestions
http://files.eventsential.org/b6a3b65a- ... ergies.pdf
I am not a vet or a MD but I have a PhD in Biochemistry and can translate most of this into layman's terms if you have questions.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:19 am

Thank you so much Goldhorse, I really appreciate it. I was just curious as what Niacainamide did and your explanation was outstanding!! Thank you for taking the time to note articles, they are very interesting. A Ph.D. in Biochemistry....very impressive!!!

Thanks again!

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:11 am

Chisamba.... Do you give the Benadryl once a day or break it into two doses?

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Code3 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:27 am

I have a horse with sweet itch who is also a head shaker. Three years ago, at the age of seven, he was unrideable. FWIW, he is having a great summer with minimal headshakng and air loss after much experimentation. I realize you don't have the head shaking issue, but I'll throw out what works for my guy. He gets 1 Tablespoon spirulina 2x daily, Mag Restore 2x daily, and anti inflammatory herbal mix 1 tablespoon 2x daily, homeopathic remedies Calendula, Colocynthis, Hypernicum, and Arsenicum Album 2x weekly. I use Kill Itch topically as needed, usually once weekly or less, on mane and tail.

Good luck with your horse. These things are so frustrating.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:44 am

Thanks Code3, I write all the treatments down! Where are you buying you anti inflammatory herbal mix? I used Kill Itch last year but I haven't needed to use it so far this year.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby demi » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm

I just found this thread. Emma has had two summers now of itching. I've done a lot to manage her condition but picked up a couple of ideas from the posts here.

I have been keeping her very clean, but mostly with brushing because I was worried daily baths would dry her skin. After reading what Goldhorse wrote, however, I will now give her daily showers but without shampoo. I give her canola oil twice a day which makes her coat really shiney so I assume her skin is not dry and the daily showers will be ok.

Another thing I will now change is her turnout. Because of other issues, I had given her 24/7 access to her pasture (she can come into her stall and fan as she pleases). She moves around a lot but does come in the stall quite a bit. I think the 24/7 turnout is best for her legs but now I am going to try keeping her in her stall/small paddock from before dusk till after dawn. I think....it's a hard compromise because I really think she is one of those horses that NEEDS 24/7 turnout.

I had trouble keeping a fly mask on her but Piedmont Fields suggested one (see the training forum) that I just ordered. I also ordered a fly sheet which I may use if I decide to go back to 24/7 TO. Then I would just put it on her from right before dusk, till right after dawn. It's just to hot and humid here to keep it on through the heat of the day.

As a last resort I am thinking about ordering Killitch for next year, but worry about it being too strong...

I have never had a horse with this problem and had never even heard of sweet itch!! This is quite the management issue.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Code3 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:17 pm

Silverado wrote:Thanks Code3, I write all the treatments down! Where are you buying you anti inflammatory herbal mix? I used Kill Itch last year but I haven't needed to use it so far this year.


I make it myself. 1 cup each: MSM, Flax, turmeric, cinnamon, ginger root, and paprika. The original "recipe" includes DE but I stopped adding it and haven't noticed a difference in response.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby goldhorse » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:26 am

kande50 wrote:Just ran across this article: http://thehorsesback.com/neck-threadworms/

Someone had mentioned to me that her horse, or horses, had neck threadworms, which sounded a lot easier to treat than sweet itch, so when one of mine started rubbing out his mane I gave him a double dose of ivermectin which did appear to work for him. I think the symptoms are similar, but horses with sweet itch are itchy around the tail, too? Or something like that.


I'm going to post an update based on Kande's comment. Many years ago there was a long thread on COTH about neck threadworms and sweet itch. Here it is if anyone wants to spend hours reading and getting the itchy-crawlies. https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/foru ... ed-page-58

When that thread first appeared, I tried the double dosing on my horse and was underwhelmed. So I assumed that he was just allergic to the gnat saliva. The last 2 years have been bad for him and I've been resorting to anything and everything short of steroid injections. But Kande's post made me think, why not try this again?

So, I double dosed him with Equimax. A week later, he had multiple exit holes on his belly and one on his face and one on his hock. The hock one was on the inside point to the hock and he was always bending around to itch that place. After one double-worming, that spot had an inverted volcano like opening.

2 weeks later, I did the second double-dosing. I saw him today (4 days later) The previous exit holes have healed over and a new one appeared dead center on his belly. His skin and coat are much improved and he was less interested in being curried. Usually, he mauls me for a good currying. I would say that he hasn't looked so good in at least 5 years. All the little scruffy scabs underneath his belly and on his neck have disappeared. He is less interested in rubbing his cheeks and chin raw.

So now I am a believer that the internal threadworm larvae are a contributing factor to this horse's misery. Thank you Kande for planting that worm of an idea (pun intended) into my brain.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby demi » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:43 pm

I just read Goldhorses update and then read the article originally posted BT Kande. I am at the point of hoping that Emma has neck threadworms. She fits the all the symptoms except that she has intense scratching of the base of her tail.

I am going to call the vet again and ask about doing the double dose of ivermectin and repeating in two weeks....

Thanks all for contributing to this thread.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby demi » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:36 pm

Emma's ear (the other one looks the same) and tail. The top tail hair used to be very full and long.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby Silverado » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:03 am

Demi

I hope it goes well. Those ears look painful.

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Re: Sweet Itch

Postby demi » Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:24 am

I called my vet to see about double dosing the ivermectin and repeating the double dose in two weeks. I didn't get a clear answer, probably because i talked to two different vets. The first one wanted a fecal sample so i took one in this morning. The second vet called with the results. He left amessage that she had a 100 egg per gram count and to go ahead and worm her with the manufacturer's recommended dosage. It was too late to call him back when i got the message so i will call in the morning...


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